. . . and the political stance behind it? I'm talking about, "Stupid Girls," which I hope you've seen or can find online.
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black angus™
Massachusetts
  • Re: What do you think of Pink's hit video

    Thu, April 20, 2006 - 12:29 PM
    I like it - that it encourages girls to play ball and do their own thing rather than buy into the glamor trap.

    BUT

    While she's probably not a "beauty" by Hollywood standards, Pink is pretty and thin. It seems a bit hypocritical that she participates in the Hollywood game, but then mocks it as well.

    Some of the impressions were pretty spot on though. I loved her Olsen twin thing.
    • Re: What do you think of Pink's hit video

      Thu, April 20, 2006 - 6:40 PM
      Hey everyone, I'm Daisy.

      I don't think the message she was trying to convey had any judgements against being pretty or thin. I think it had more to do with using sexual attraction, treating yourself like an object, or women dumming themselves down to get attention or sell records.

      There seems to be a huge departure in recent times from women in Hollywood portraying themselves as intelligent, empowered beings. I am simultaneously fascinated and repulsed by the sexual acting out I see by the young actresses, musicians, and famous people in general.

      It's not that I'm a prude, I'm not. I just think there's a difference between sexual empowerment and acting out. Why do women feel the need to identify themselves as solely sexual beings? Do we need attention that badly? And is that the kind of attention we truly need? What about being valued for intelligence, strength, savvy, etc.? If someone is looking at your tits, they're not noticing much else about you.

      I was a stripper for 10 years. Everything I did was about sex and sexuality. It's how I related to the world. At 40, I'm not so sexually attractive as I used to be, nor do I want to be. It gets in the way of people taking me seriously, and frankly, I'm trying to find out who I am. I lost alot of time by being so focused on attracting attention for how I looked. I'm trying to accept myself the way I am, for who I am now, and it's really hard. I just think the sooner a girl is willing to look at who she is, the sooner she will know who that is and be ok with it. Then maybe it won't matter how big her tits are or how many wrinkles she has.
      • Re: What do you think of Pink's hit video

        Fri, April 21, 2006 - 7:11 AM
        I agree she isn't saying that pretty and thin is bad (and nor should she) - just that she presents herself as an outsider looking into the Hollywood game and she's almost as guilty as the rest of them.

        And I think you are spot on about them acting out, as opposed to owning their own sexuality. They don't seem to feel sexy - they seem to manufacture the look of sexy. I don't know that they even identify themselves as soley sexual beings because it isn't even real. Like the Paris sex video. Does it count as really being sexual if you are faking out the world to promote yourself? Or is it just clever marketing?

        I guess Hollywood is all about image, so I'm less worried about the packaging of these women than I am the trickle down effect this will have on our already looks obsessed culture.

        That part of the Pink video I really liked. What message are we sending our children?

        I have a question daisy - you said that stripping was about sex and sexuality. Do you mean your sexuality? Or your clients'? I'm just curious. Some women seem to get a sexual rush from stripping, whereas some women seem to end up hating the men they are dancing for.

        In more younger and more broke days I considered stripping but I didn't want to risk coming out of it hating men so I did not.
        • Re: What do you think of Pink's hit video

          Fri, April 21, 2006 - 11:53 AM
          For me, it was about my sexuality, which wasn't really about sex at all. It was about manipulation, power, and control. I came from a sexually abusive background and this was a way for me to recover my power sexually. Of course I was pretty unconscious at the time and wasn't aware of what my motivations were. I seriously thought I was controlling men with my sex. I felt more powerful than I ever did previously in my life. It was all an illusion. I was only 15 when I started, so I didn't know much about myself. I went from being raped by my father to the strip club. Most of the women I worked with in the clubs had similiar backgrounds, and most of the women I worked with later on in the industry (stripping, escorting/prostitution) also were survivors.

          I guess now I get angry when I hear people glamourizing the industry, talking about sexual empowerment. I just think it's a by product of rape, incest, and sexual abuse. If those women hadn't been sexually victimized, I doubt the majority of them would have been there.
          • Re: What do you think of Pink's hit video

            Fri, April 21, 2006 - 2:31 PM
            "I guess now I get angry when I hear people glamourizing the industry, talking about sexual empowerment."

            Oh, yeah, me too. I'm a member of a tribe called "Legalize Prosititution" and some of the posts kind of scare me. What's with this whole "sacred whore" movement? I think we should legalize it so we can make is safer, but not because I think it's an OK thing to do or that it's healthy for the women involved. It's just further victimization of women who've already been victimized

            I'm sorry to hear about your sex abuse, particularly since it was inflicted by someone whose job it is to protect you and take care of you. What a betrayal.

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